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 Posted:   Feb 14, 2015 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

This COULD HAVE been a good film. Not as good as the fantastic TFA, but something a bit above the very good ASP.

Had they filmed the script and removed about 75 percent of the mind-numbing, ridiculous action scenes , you would have had a fine film.

But, i guess the 165 million dollar gross for TFA wasn't good enuf. So, they decided to do another AVENGERS superhero flic.

I am DONE with Marvel films.
Finished!


have a nice day
:0
bruce

 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2015 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   emusician   (Member)

Interesting that they open the film with Silvestri's score. (It's not just The Theme. It's an actual track from the first film, although I don't recall which it is now.)

Anyone know what track was used from the first movie?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2015 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

Interesting that they open the film with Silvestri's score. (It's not just The Theme. It's an actual track from the first film, although I don't recall which it is now.)

Anyone know what track was used from the first movie?


it is two tracks edited together, I am quite sure this is in one of the previous posts.
Triumphant Return is the second I think.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2015 - 4:47 PM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

The first one is not on the album, it is the cue "flagpole"

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2016 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Decided to give this score another try before putting it on the to-go pile, but alas I'm only 5 tracks in and I almost feel guilty taking a measly dollar for it. In any case, still giving it a full listen "just in case." Love the electronic noise that interrupts melodic lines for no apparent reason. My recollection is they do nothing for the film itself. Ugh.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2016 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Nope, can't get past track 6. Done.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2016 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

There seem to be some overlong demo pieces (Captain America), but some of the shorter tracks are my favorites. "Taking a Stand" and "Project Insight" are the best cues IMO.

I much prefer the Civil War score.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2016 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   cormoranstrike   (Member)

The long "Captain America" track is my favorite, although I usually skip to start it from 1:30. I love how it slowly builds and builds.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2016 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

There seem to be some overlong demo pieces (Captain America), but some of the shorter tracks are my favorites. "Taking a Stand" and "Project Insight" are the best cues IMO.

I much prefer the Civil War score.


As many times as I've listened to Civil War I still hear it as little more than a by-the-numbers effort, with maybe a few flourishes of Americana or the odd heroic bit. It often sounds like just another unmemorable (but by no means bad) Alan Silvestri score.

Winter Soldier, on the other hand, is an outstanding score and the best Marvel score so far.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2018 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

I missed the Intrada CD - it looks like it's being re-issued in Japan last this month by Universal. Catalogue ID code is: UICY-15721

Someone on eBay is taking pre-orders already.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/HENRY-JACKMAN-CAPTAIN-AMERICA-THE-WINTER-SOLDIER-JAPAN-CD-E78/352317337613?hash=item5207bff00d:g:rfgAAOSwBiBavIv4


 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2018 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I much prefer the Civil War score.

As many times as I've listened to Civil War I still hear it as little more than a by-the-numbers effort, with maybe a few flourishes of Americana or the odd heroic bit. It often sounds like just another unmemorable (but by no means bad) Alan Silvestri score.


While my opinion of Civil War hasn't really changed in the two years since the above post, my enjoyment of said score has increased greatly.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2018 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

This COULD HAVE been a good film. Not as good as the fantastic TFA, but something a bit above the very good ASP.

Had they filmed the script and removed about 75 percent of the mind-numbing, ridiculous action scenes , you would have had a fine film.

But, i guess the 165 million dollar gross for TFA wasn't good enuf. So, they decided to do another AVENGERS superhero flic.

I am DONE with Marvel films.
Finished!


have a nice day
:0
bruce


Winter Soldier is my fourth favorite superhero movie after Man of Steel, Reeve's Superman, and Civil War. I love the Cap movies.

I have the Winter Soldier score, and really like it. Yes, it's mostly about banging and nice, ugly, heavily Zimmer-influenced synths and syncopations. But that soundtrack charmed me for some reason early on. Besides the abovementioned Superman soundtracks (and yeah, I mean both), WS is my favorite superhero score.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2018 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I much prefer the Civil War score.

As many times as I've listened to Civil War I still hear it as little more than a by-the-numbers effort, with maybe a few flourishes of Americana or the odd heroic bit. It often sounds like just another unmemorable (but by no means bad) Alan Silvestri score.

Winter Soldier, on the other hand, is an outstanding score and the best Marvel score so far.


While my opinion of Civil War hasn't really changed in the two years since the above post, my enjoyment of said score has increased greatly.


Really good stuff imo. Jackman did some cool stuff with sound design on CW that would probably really turn off a lot of old school fans, but I see all that stuff as more Carpenter-based than Zimmer overall. After all, Zimmer was massively influenced by Carpenter and Morricone.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2018 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

We're watching all of the Marvel films this month, kind of willy-nilly. We've watched both Avengers and all of the Thor films. (I love the Thor films.) Right now we're working our way through the Cap films. I'd forgotten how good The First Avenger is. And now I'm remembering how good Winter Soldier is!

I can't get into the score for Civil War. There's no hook to it for me. Someone explain it to me! I think it's the only Marvel score where I've come away with nothing. Every other score at least has a track, or a theme, or SOMETHING. (I don't have The Incredible Hulk and I've only seen the film once.)

(OTOH, I was listening to Agent Carter while working yesterday: That's a FINE score!)

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2018 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

We're watching all of the Marvel films this month, kind of willy-nilly. We've watched both Avengers and all of the Thor films. (I love the Thor films.) Right now we're working our way through the Cap films. I'd forgotten how good The First Avenger is. And now I'm remembering how good Winter Soldier is!

I can't get into the score for Civil War. There's no hook to it for me. Someone explain it to me! I think it's the only Marvel score where I've come away with nothing. Every other score at least has a track, or a theme, or SOMETHING. (I don't have The Incredible Hulk and I've only seen the film once.)


Check out the themes during both the opening scene and the big fight at the airport. Those are employed in a motivic manner through some of the score (you could say providing glue for the same).

Sometimes it can be hard to get past the kinda generic Zimmer percussive/action cues...but there's a better score there. I mean hey, it's not Vertigo or even a Kung Fu Panda, but still worth giving another listen imo.

I love the first two Thor movies, haven't seen Ragnarok yet.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2018 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Winter Soldier is my fourth favorite superhero movie after Man of Steel, Reeve's Superman, and Civil War. I love the Cap movies.

I feel similarly about the Cap movies as I do about Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy.

Promising first entry that isn't without its problems, but does a good job of establishing the character.

Brilliant second entry (though I do think The Dark Knight tries to cram in Two Face, not entirely successfully) which set new heights for the superhero genre.

Disappointing/overstuffed/unwieldy third entry which has some good parts, but full of problems, tonal issues and plot holes.

I'm really surprised you like Winter Soldier less than the other three films. I find it much more successful on its own terms. IMO, even the classic Superman is full of problems and all three aren't really remotely in the Winter Soldier league as films.

I really wish the Russos had been allowed to write the original Winter Soldier sequel they wanted to do (doesn't the ending of that movie really get you pumped up for what's going to happen next? And then they just skip most of it to get to all the Civil War mess!) But hey Robert Downey Jr. wanted in as Iron Man, and then they had to fit in Spider-man too because they got the rights, and SHEESH I just wanted a third CAPTAIN AMERICA MOVIE, please. smile

Oh yeah, and I can't be the only person who was disappointed that Jackman's brilliant Cap theme heard in his thrilling Winter Soldier end credits was not reprised in his own sequel score!

Yavar

P.S. Yes I really dig Christopher Lennertz's Agent Carter music. Although his music for the original short film kind eclipses his serviceable work on the show, doesn't it? He was really allowed to let loose for that.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2018 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Welll...Civil War to me had an interesting take on the entire superhero idea. I loved the theme, which I personally felt had to do with the human spirit superceding the abstract laws of authority. I thought it was done really well. The action sequences were thrilling to me.

As far as the Reeve and Cavill Supermen...I love those movies like crazy. Scores too.

That said, Winter Soldier was often exhilarating with a super fun plot and I love that movie, too!

Aw heck I love all of the above. I should watch Spider-Man Homecoming tonight for the first time...I like Tom as Spidey.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2018 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I mean hey, it's not Vertigo or even a Kung Fu Panda, but still worth giving another listen imo.

Kung Fu Panda II is AWESOME.

Oh yeah, and I can't be the only person who was disappointed that Jackman's brilliant Cap theme heard in his thrilling Winter Soldier end credits was not reprised in his own sequel score!

Nope. Not the only person. I figured even if we didn't get a musical connection to Cap 1 we should at least see cohesion there. And oddly, we didn't. Composers are confusing.

And yes, as much as I loved Civil War I wanted a Captain America movie, not an Avengers 2.5. (Ideally, I'd like to have had both.)

P.S. Yes I really dig Christopher Lennertz's Agent Carter music. Although his music for the original short film kind eclipses his serviceable work on the show, doesn't it? He was really allowed to let loose for that.

That's pretty true, isn't it?

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2018 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I mean hey, it's not Vertigo or even a Kung Fu Panda, but still worth giving another listen imo.

Kung Fu Panda II is AWESOME.



Will definitely check it out!

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2018 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Winter Soldier was lean and thrilling, the perfect length and perfect pace for its material.

Civil War is overstuffed, trying to live up to its title but not remotely managing it due to the limited time and juggling so many new characters. It would more appropriately be titled, "Civil Scuffle" ... and the plot was really just nonsense. Every little thing had to happen as it happened for the villain's "brilliant plan" to come off. If any one thing had happened slightly differently, it all would have fallen apart. I just couldn't suspend disbelief at a certain point, like I happily could for Winter Soldier, where it felt REAL and I was INVESTED...on the edge of my seat really.

The big fight in Civil War continually undercuts itself with lame attempts at Joss Whedonesque humor instead of sticking with the seriousness of the situation. I don't feel the stakes. Calling it a war was nonsense.

I'm not saying Civil War was devoid of interesting/good ideas. It was still made by the Russos, after all. But it felt like they were hamstrung by larger Marvel demands rather than being able to tell the sequel to Winter Soldier they really wanted to do, originally. "Messy" describes it to a T. Hence the Dark Knight Rises comparison. (LOVED Anne Hathaway's Catwoman, tons of fun...and she was integral/important to the plot HOW, exactly? Ugh, and don't even get me started on the mess of Bane/Talia. Or WTF happened to Bruce Wayne. Sigh. Needed extensive trimming and rewrites.)

Yavar

 
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