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 Posted:   Jun 13, 2011 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


& B) Do Intrada give refunds on this basis? I know they're decent chaps over in Hamster-land & they will replace/refund/credit if a cd is defective, but accepting "I've changed my mind, here's your cd, give me my money back" seems like an odd way to run a business.

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Almost any retailer will refund for an unopened disc, though unless there's a defect/wrong disc/whatever shipping charges would be the responsibility of the returner.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2011 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

I love this Intrada release as well.

Incredible to get not only the original Jerry Goldsmith cues but also the quality Mort Stevens contributions in a powerhouse 2 cd set.

Listening to this presentation of the score for me personally is a welcomed breath of fresh air from the old MCA LP/Varese cd recording.

It's as if I'm hearing this score afresh for the first time all these years later.

30 years ago we had no choice. If we enjoyed the score, it was the lp re-recording of Masada or nothing.


Thanks Intrada.



 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2011 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Just listening to it now for the first time. The sound spectrum is not very good. There's no richness to the bass and the treble is too shrill. Stereo separation is too extreme.

To say it's disappointing is an understatement. It could be down to the archival nature of the score, although it's certainly not the first time that I've experienced this with an Intrada release.

I fully expect to be lambasted for presuming to say anything negative but I paid my money and had high expectations for this score that I've long wanted to hear.


You certainly have a right to voice your opinion. I have a first rate stereo(not saying you don't) system and the sound for me is excellent, no complaints.


I'll second that emotion. Love this release, and am selling my MCA/Varese re-recording as quick as I can.




I'm not selling my old copies, or tossing them like frisbees across a parking lot, but I understand how you feel.

What a great release!

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2011 - 9:47 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

This is much ado about Doo-doo. So one person is unhappy? Who the fek cares? When he sends it back, it'll just go to someone else who does want it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2011 - 6:44 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Just listening to it now for the first time. The sound spectrum is not very good. There's no richness to the bass and the treble is too shrill. Stereo separation is too extreme.

To say it's disappointing is an understatement. It could be down to the archival nature of the score, although it's certainly not the first time that I've experienced this with an Intrada release.

I fully expect to be lambasted for presuming to say anything negative but I paid my money and had high expectations for this score that I've long wanted to hear.



It doesn't have a tremendously big or full sound, but to me it sounds more like some other late 70's / early 80's recordings that shared the same... pinched ...sound. That may not be the best term to describe it. But there is a shrill quality to it. Some 70's /80's ( heck even some 50's-60's scores which have been released ) sound like they were recorded yesterday, while some do indeed have this certain thin or compressed sound.

However it isn't hampering my enjoyment of the score. It is a clear, crisp recording and whatever shortcomings there may be...and to me they're small...seem to be as mentioned, due to the nature of the recording itself.

Still would highly recommend this to anyone interested. It surpasses the Varese CD and that battering ram track everyone was talking about - Hell Yes - is fabulous.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2011 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

Just listening to it now for the first time. The sound spectrum is not very good. There's no richness to the bass and the treble is too shrill. Stereo separation is too extreme.

To say it's disappointing is an understatement. It could be down to the archival nature of the score, although it's certainly not the first time that I've experienced this with an Intrada release.

I fully expect to be lambasted for presuming to say anything negative but I paid my money and had high expectations for this score that I've long wanted to hear.



Is this a social experiment in groupthink behavior, Jehannum?

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2011 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

It doesn't have a tremendously big or full sound, but to me it sounds more like some other late 70's / early 80's recordings that shared the same... pinched ...sound. That may not be the best term to describe it. But there is a shrill quality to it. Some 70's /80's ( heck even some 50's-60's scores which have been released ) sound like they were recorded yesterday, while some do indeed have this certain thin or compressed sound.

However it isn't hampering my enjoyment of the score. It is a clear, crisp recording and whatever shortcomings there may be...and to me they're small...seem to be as mentioned, due to the nature of the recording itself.

Still would highly recommend this to anyone interested. It surpasses the Varese CD and that battering ram track everyone was talking about - Hell Yes - is fabulous.


Pinched is not the word.

I've been doing a bit of experimenting with EQing the sound. In my opinion it's all wrong. Passages with high pitched instruments max out the waveform whereas the bass under 100Hz (where much of the feeling of power comes from an orchestra) hardly shows up.

I've just spent an hour re-EQing the sound onto new tracks to burn onto a CD. The bass information is there, vastly reduced. To me (because I know listening is subjective) this means the problem is in the CD mastering, not the recording.

I've removed the 'pinchedness', made it listenable for myself, although increasing the bass causes a certain 'boxiness' to the sound (happily, far less than I was expecting).

I'd like to hear the opinion of Marlene or someone else interested in this stuff. Through my experience of certain other Douglass Fake productions I was half expecting / fearing this. I've heard producers say they all have different preferences of sound. Unfortunately DF's preferences are very different to the sound I like.

As for the quality of my stereo system: it's not the best, not the most expensive, nor should it have to be for me to enjoy music. I play many CDs of older or contemporary recordings to Masada that sound excellent to me.

I don't like complaining about releases. I can't remember when I last did so. I appreciate the work that goes into making them. However, I couldn't pass this one without comment because I have been so looking forward to hearing Masada ever since I got into Goldsmith. I'd deliberately not sought out the re-recording in the hope that there would be a new release of the OST.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2011 - 8:49 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Through my experience of certain other Douglass Fake productions I was half expecting / fearing this.

Care to specify what other CD releases?

I could be wrong, but I wonder if the recording (rather than the mix) was what it was, for the simple reason that, in 1981, it was meant to be heard through those small built-in speakers that came with all televisions of the period. They were incapable of reproducing the rich bass frequencies that we associate with today's cinematic recordings.

This may not necessarily be Mr. Fake's fault.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2011 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Might I suggest that all anally retentitive sound mavens read pages 18-20 of the booklet?

By the by, terrific liner notes by King Burlingame!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2011 - 12:07 AM   
 By:   Blake M   (Member)

rare

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2011 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Well I don't know what you're all complaining about, this sounds magnificent to me! It's a smaller orchestra than the re-recording so of course it's going to sound different, but it sounds lively and rich and extremely well balanced. A wonderful release!

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2011 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

I've been really enjoying this set - can't get enough of it. My wife loves it, as well.

I also share the opinion of another poster from above who said Goldsmith should have "shared" his Emmy with Morton Stevens - Part Two (the Emmy Winner) is great, but Stevens' Part Four (Emmy Nomination) just blows me away!
Well done, Intrada - well done!

Here's to more Morton Stevens' CD releases in the future!!!...:-)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2011 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Arrived yesterday and it is such a joy to get to listen to two great scores. And I'd like to highlight the Morton Stevens material as IMO it is equally stunning as what Goldsmith wrote. "Nothing to Give" is immediate proof that he knows how to work the material, right up there with the best of 'the egyptian' for me. I get the chills listening to most of this music, very profound.

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2011 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   Urs Lesse   (Member)

I received this one yesterday as well and I must say it is a delight in every respect – sound quality, design, entertainment. Goldsmith's disc 1 flows surprisingly well for such a packed program, while Stevens' disc 2 is a bit tougher, err (sorry, Francis! wink, I mean: challenging, of course!, big grin to listen to. And pages 21-22 should especially please my honorable colleague Sir Moors, too.

To Joe Sikoryak: This is the most beautiful Intrada booklet I've seen from your craft so far.
I'd welcome it if you did without gradient backgrounds more often with Intrada booklets.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2011 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

And pages 21-22 should especially please my honorable colleague Sir Moors, too.


Most certainly. I've stapled them to the wall big grin

And don't get me wrong, the Goldsmith material is A+, but for me the third and fourth episodes is where the story really gets going and I guess Morton's music didn't make me miss Jerry, and that's big praise.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2011 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I just ordered this from Intrada, really look forward to it!

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2011 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

I just ordered this from Intrada, really look forward to it!

Henry,

You will really love this set - enjoy!!!...:-)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2011 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

I just ordered this from Intrada, really look forward to it!



Hey Henry: I think you will absolutley love Goldsmith's "Masada" and Stevens portions based on Goldsmith's themes are not bad either.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2011 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

I just ordered this from Intrada, really look forward to it!



Hey Henry: I think you will absolutley love Goldsmith's "Masada" and Stevens portions based on Goldsmith's themes are not bad either.


The Stevens portions were not just "not bad" - Morton Stevens' disc two is EVERY bit as good as the Goldsmith disc one and there should have been TWO emmys given for this music....IMHO...:-)

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2011 - 7:30 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Morton Stevens' disc two is EVERY bit as good as the Goldsmith disc one and there should have been TWO emmys given for this music....IMHO...:-)

He was Emmy-nominated for Part IV. Goldsmith won for Part II.

 
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