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Mar 13, 2015 - 3:58 PM
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John Mullin
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Okay... a little inaccurate reporting above, combined with some speculation that clearly came from this message board, and indeed this very thread.
True, this is not a hard news site, BUT it is one of the only places on the internet, to my knowledge, where the Elfman addition to AVENGERS 2 is being discussed. In the past, articles on more reputable industry websites like Deadline, The Hollywood Reporter and Variety have referenced highly questionable posts on this very board as a "source" for stories that pertain to film music - often, incorrectly. That's lousy journalism, no doubt about it, but a little irrelevant because they're considered websites of record, and if any of them report something (however untrue), it is deemed to be credible.
Whenever there's a post-production shake-up on a movie (especially a big one like AVENGERS 2), it is always juicy news. Think about how many rejected scores are still discussed decades later... Silvestri's MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE came up again just last month and people are STILL debating what happened, who instigated it, and why. The most persistent rumor is that when Silvestri was told that the music he wrote for M:I wasn't going to be used, he decided to just plop it wholesale into the next film he was scoring, ERASER. Anyone who has listened to both knows that this is totally untrue, but the story persists... Why? Because someone said it on the internet, and it was repeated enough times that some took it as confirmed fact.
For all these reasons, I absolutely and unapologetically DO think it is important to stick to reality and not float out a lot of instantly disprovable scenarios that send the rumor mill churning into overdrive.
The known facts to us are that Tyler was announced as the composer on the score over a year ago. He recorded his score in December. 2 weeks ago, we saw a poster that listed Danny Elfman with an "Additional Music By" credit. We know that he's working on the film right now. We know that Brian Tyler is NOT working on the film right now. Tyler isn't responding to people who have tried to contact him via Facebook and Twitter, etc, and the people on this board who normally issue a full report every time Tyler wipes his nose have been conspicuously silent. We've had some pretty good discussion on what all that could mean... for the film, for a possible soundtrack release... et al.
BUT...
-This is not a BATMAN BEGINS scenario where both composers were on from the beginning and they decided to collaborate. This pretty clearly seems to be a fix-it job. They worked on the film at different times, and I would be very surprised if Tyler deliberately left holes in his score so someone else could plug them in later.
-Marvel has not announced that this is the beginning of some multi-picture musical arc that includes Danny Elfman.
-Elfman did not arrange "I've Got No Strings" for the earlier trailers... they were made before all this happened.
-The Sony/Marvel deal allowing Spider-Man to be loaned to Marvel movies did not happen until February. If Spider-Man _does_ appear in AVENGERS 2, it is almost impossible for it to be in a meaningful way, given that the movie was mostly shot last year.
-We do not know what music was used in the temp score, and therefore it is impossible to say that this is a case of a director (or a studio) falling in love with the temp music.
-Joss Whedon has not made any public statements where he proclaims his love for Elfman's theme for the 2002 SPIDER-MAN movie.
-Joss Whedon has not made any public statements where he proclaims his love for Elfman's theme for the 2003 HULK movie.
Now all these things could wind up being 100% true, I guess (with the exception of this being a Tyler / Elfman collaboration), but at this moment, there is zero evidence to back any of it up.
I think it's great that this is a place where so many people love film music and are excited to talk about it... BUT, I also think it's important to not get carried away with composer fan-fiction here. I also think bad information (and misinformation) should be shot down when it is posted.
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Because the conclusion is clear: Lloyd is busy shooting scenes for AVENGERS 2 where he reprises his role of "Uncle Martin" from the 1999 comedy classic MY FAVORITE MARTIAN, and Elfman has been brought in to adapt his original theme for that movie and integrate it with the work of Alan Silvestri from AVENGERS 1, making it into a new hybrid theme that effortlessly shifts into the "Uncle Martin" theme and back when needed.
I can't wait for the limited colour variant vinyl from MONDO.
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Mar 13, 2015 - 6:52 PM
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AMRA75
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It may be more simple to understand things like that :
Tyler was fired, Elfman was hired. End of story.
Now, if Tyler was really fired, well I don't need to know why. Disney doesn't keep music continuity... So, I don't give a damn about that.
It's just a pity 'cause Tyler started to create a musical Marvel universe (after all, he got Iron man, Thor and Avengers).... but it seems now that he won't do that anymore.
Now, the two things I care :
1) The mix between Tyler and Elfman during the movie... just a few weeks to know about it.
2) The CD. On amazon, they got a cd from Hollywood records... Songs? Original soundtrack? I hope we'll got a cd (the best would be a 2 cds edition ... with all Tyler and all Elfman).
And what about the next Marvel movies? Beck is on Ant-man, Jackman is on Captain 3. Imdb seems to say that Christopher Young is on Dr Strange ... I imagine Bates will be on Guardians 2. For Thor 3, well... We'll see in time. And Avengers 3? Elfman?... Do you see any music continuity here? I do not.
But I have to say that if Brian Tyler could be back, I think it would be very cool.
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Mar 13, 2015 - 9:14 PM
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Mike West
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Back to a couple of interesting questions:
I wonder if Tyler also used Silvestri's theme, which is likely.
And also if he used that "hybrid theme".
Did Elfman contribute music to rather important scenes
because of the thematic morphing?
And I wonder if there is a (new) theme for who knows which is combined with
the Silvestri's theme, what Elfman's wording suggests. Considering the context of the
interview, that specific question, it sounds more likely that that new theme is by Elfman.
We don't know if it is a pre-avengers theme. Seems to be rather unlikely.
if it is a theme for a character, there are a couple of possibilities we know.
It seems, that Elfman's contribution is in rather important scenes, where such a treatment
of themes enhances the narrative. That is quite reasonable to think.
N.B.
Every person who takes professional information from this/a message board (!) is an idiot and should be
shot down. Not the information only as you, John, suggest.
I think everyone is able on first-sight that all of this here is just fans posting, and when there are really people browsing
threads like this to find informations for unreflected professional use, which is highly unlikely, you should not take them serious.
There are lots of sites in the internet discussing this contribution of Elfman to Avengers, also message boards.
Comic Book sites, Film sites. You can easily find them and also use them to look for sources of " information."
I very much appreciate your general moral on that, John, but your idea of how (serious) people might confuse this board is with is kind of strange. They see immediately that there is not one atom of a reliable source for news here.
I think you very much overestimate what is posted here, very much.
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Some people are going to be really embarrassed with themselves when they re-read their ludicrous theories two months from now.
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Mar 14, 2015 - 12:43 AM
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SchiffyM
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Some people are going to be really embarrassed with themselves when they re-read their ludicrous theories two months from now.
Precisely. It seems at this point, a lot of people here seems to be reading between the lines between other lines in a book about something else completely.
Here's what we can be pretty much certain of: Brian Tyler was supposed to be the sole composer on the film. For some reason, he no longer is. Perhaps they didn't like the work he did. Perhaps their needs changed. But if they went to one of the most expensive film composers around, it's because they needed either a specific sound they felt they were lacking, or so much rescoring that they could not leave it in the hands of anybody unproven. I do not for one minute believe this was always part of some grand plan.
Tentpole movies like this are runaway trains. This is a gigantic movie with a budget that's likely north of a quarter-of-a-billion dollars. With the release date less than two months away, they're now in that stage where they're getting new effects shots (and most shots are effects shots) on a daily basis, and they're figuring out the film. No matter what they thought the film was going to be, whatever they planned, they are now finding out what the film is. That's just how it works. It will obviously do gigantic business, but it has to be among the very highest grossing movies of all time to be successful. That's a lot of pressure. There is no margin for error.
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Either the film itself received a major restructuring after it was scored and Tyker wasnt available to do the work himself.
Or the studio/director/producer etc was unhappy with the score or parts of the score and wanted it replaced.
Somehow the first option seems a bit more likely. Tyler has scored two films for Marvel already. So they are well aware of his style.
Also. Isnt is more customary for an entire score to be replaced if the film makers feels it isnt working for some reason? (Airforce One, Troy etc etc)
I can understand Marvel hiring Elfman, since he's a safe pair of hands when it comes to the genre. But it's a bit unusual for a established, big name composer to accept a partial rescore. Maybe Elfman has a good relationship with Marvel. And I'm sure the money is excellent.
It could be...ironically...a Spider-man 2 situation.
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