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I AM LITERALLY BEGGING YOU TO STOP SAYING THIS. It is fallacious and offensive and above all, stupid. It does not even slightly suggest that women are fragile to say they might not want to hang out in a place that is explicitly hostile to them and you have been told this time and time again. MOST PEOPLE would not want to frequent any place where they felt disrespected or unwanted. It is not PATRONIZING to say that women behave like human beings.
Rube, why not cite examples of posts where you've felt alienated ... (and not mine please, I mean posts where women are genuinely insulted.)
This all started because of what Dan said, about women possibly wanting to be less analytical about this sort of music. Why is that insulting? He wasn't suggesting women are less intellectual, he was suggesting they might be wired to not care about something that, let's face it, is probably a nerdy preoccupation anyhow.
The only famous feminist I know of who is a dedicted film-music buff is Camille Paglia, and the stuff she said about date-rape in a UK magazine would bracket her in a truly misogynist camp. She's off her trolley and a disgrace to women's sensitivites, a true pseudo-intellectual.
It's a possible COMPLIMENT to women to suggest they tend to more serious issues than this. And he was only asking anyhow.
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Mar 26, 2012 - 8:30 AM
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Rubyglass
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Rube, why not cite examples of posts where you've felt alienated ... (and not mine please, I mean posts where women are genuinely insulted.)
This all started because of what Dan said, about women possibly wanting to be less analytical about this sort of music. Why is that insulting? He wasn't suggesting women are less intellectual, he was suggesting they might be wired to not care about something that, let's face it, is probably a nerdy preoccupation anyhow.
The only famous feminist I know of who is a dedicted film-music buff is Camille Paglia, and the stuff she said about date-rape in a UK magazine would bracket her in a truly misogynist camp. She's off her trolley and a disgrace to women's sensitivites, a true pseudo-intellectual.
It's a possible COMPLIMENT to women to suggest they tend to more serious issues than this. And he was only asking anyhow.
Could it be simply that williamdmccrums still don't really create a diverse search of non-williamdmccrumy interesting things that are off mainstream in the entertainment industry, williamdmccrums seem to still be more vulnerable to except whatever is made to be popular then non-williamdmccrums.There seem to be more interest in non-williamdmccrums to indulge deeper into something they like. Unless a non-williamdmccrum takes a williamdmccrums to a non big picture, most of the so called smaller films, what they called b- films are hunted down by non-williamdmccrums.This seems to be true with all types of music too.From my experiences from the past to now, non-williamdmccrums seem to be more innovator with their choices in non-williamdmccrumy things in life. Look how on any newstand despite the changes in modern society with non-williamdmccrums or williamdmccrums, most magazines are still telling williamdmccrums what they should do, how they should act, how they should dress etc etc, for every one of those how to do mags for non-williamdmccrums there are 15 or 20 for williamdmccrums non-williamdmccrum still seem to play more the personal thinking game , not inflence by others as much.williamdmccrums just seem to play more the straight arrow game.They tell me it's proper to do this so they do it.a comformity of mainstream thinking.maybe someday this will change but i don't think it has really happen that much yet.
How would you feel if you read this, refuted it, and then people still kept having a conversation about it as if it were possible that it were true?
Also, it is not remotely a compliment to imply that things like hobbies and nerdy passions are exclusive to men. It is just othering. Women are not a different species!
And what on earth is the relevance of whether or not Camille Paglia is a true feminist to her love of film music? I never said that only feminists or only good feminists like it.
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Hell, I'd probably be flattered to see my name so often! I didn't know there were so many of us.
What you should REALLY do there is to to pick some category I'm a member of. Like 'men' for instance. Or some nationality, or race or profession or something.
Of course, as we know women NEVER generalise about or stereotype men. Why, it's just not DONE old boy.
Did you know that most serial killers tend to be men? Not all by any means, but most. More women should campaign against this. They have a right to be serial killers too.
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Mr. Allardyce,
Can you please put an end to this before something really unfortunate is said by one of the posters.
On an unrelated topic - Is anyone up for a discussion on film music?
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Mr. Allardyce,
Can you please put an end to this before something really unfortunate is said by one of the posters.
On an unrelated topic - Is anyone up for a discussion on film music?
Leave Allardyce alone. He has enough on his plate. We're smart enough to know where the thin ice is, and we're WAY nowhere near it yet. And we ARE on-topic.
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Sir, thank you very kindly, but I don't need you to lecture me on when or when not to call upon the moderator. I appreciate your advice, which you seem to give so willingly and freely, but I am also entitled to state my position irrespective of how you feel about it.
Have a nice day! 
Calling Mr. Allardyce! Please keep a close eye on what appears to be an imminent train wreck.
Thank you!
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Mr. Smith, can we enjoy another of your delightful Classical references to spice the brew? Your armour DOES so shine.
If they DO shut this one down, it'll be because enough people who can't read between the lines and have underdeveloped senses of humour decided to gang up and get their own back on the ones who know what they're about.
What'll shut it down should be (a) personal insults, (b) religious discourse (c) politics (d) off-topic spins.
Tell you what ... why don't we let Rubyglass and Allardyce decide whether the thead should be shut down. Instead of people who post once and aren't even part of the debate.
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Mar 26, 2012 - 11:20 AM
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dan the man
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To MMM- you are not in this world,and everything you say against others is what you are, nothing new about that, do you think i could not also bring up certain trends in men the same way i did with woman and still know there are truths in them, but maybe then you would not care to be senstive about it, because you are the bias person, if anyone is a joke here, it is you, not me, your kind live in dream worlds, you don't want to see the truth and then you blame people who want to be honest and insightful on the real world.i am not going to say something because it might open political issues, MMM, be careful with some of your buddies when you past a recent pregnant woman, MMM, you don't care about nobody, your type make me vomit.
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Nemo surdior est quam is qui non audiet.
Nemo surdior est quam is qui dogmas feministarum mitiget. 
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Mar 26, 2012 - 1:05 PM
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joan hue
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Dan, go back and look at some of your responses. You asked, "Where are the ladies?" We answered. Maybe they weren't the answers you wanted, but they were our answers. You then postulated your own theory; you answered your own question. Look at that theory. You made statements like, "Men play the more personal thinking game; men are not influenced as much as women." Some of your statements could be agreed with OR rub people the wrong way. Rubyglass just answered, "No." She didn't agree. MMM didn't agree. I didn't see them as attacking as much as disagreeing. Then you said, before the "idiot/cave" comments, statements like, "You are freaks...for wanting to make things equal...." And so on.
Freaks came before cave. And in most areas of life, I want things equal. I don't want to argue with you nor see this discussion closed, but I would ask that you take some responsibility for its direction by realizing some of your comments lead to angry responses. This isn't all black and white, and I don't completely see you as a victim here.
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Mar 26, 2012 - 1:06 PM
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Morricone
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I would be very shocked if Good men like MR David Sones or MR Lukas Kendall would shut this down because of a wise man like William Crum or i , if you were to review this whole thread it was both MMM and Ruby who threw the first punch at my honest look at trends in society[idiot, cave etc etc] both MR Crum and i was just trying to moderate the issue, i really believe most people on this board who read this will see where this is coming from not getting poltical here, but 2 semi extremist on one side and a more moderate stance on the other side.
It is good that you tried to find the source. This is where I thought it began.
Could it be simply that woman still don't really create a diverse search of many interesting things that are off mainstream in the entertainment industry, woman seem to still be more vulnerable to except whatever is made to be popular then men.There seem to be more interest in men to indulge deeper into something they like. Unless a man takes a woman to a non big picture, most of the so called smaller films, what they called b- films are hunted down by men.This seems to be true with all types of music too.From my experiences from the past to now, men seem to be more innovator with their choices in many things in life. Look how on any newstand despite the changes in modern society with men or woman, most magazines are still telling woman what they should do, how they should act, how they should dress etc etc, for every one of those how to do mags for men there are 15 or 20 for woman,Men still seem to play more the personal thinking game , not inflence by others as much.Woman just seem to play more the straight arrow game.They tell me it's proper to do this so they do it.a comformity of mainstream thinking.maybe someday this will change but i don't think it has really happen that much yet.
The above happened before MMM and Rubyglass had their say on your observations.
And, what can I say, your observations brought a conclusion from you that is indeed an insult.
Forget about my experience working in an office, editing rooms and movie theaters and (way back when) playing on basketball courts, where I found the sheep mentality with men being pretty high. It simply comes across that, in general, YOU are concluding women can't think for themselves as well as men can. Show me if I got that wrong.
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