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I wonder if the term 'aping' is a thing best relegated to the Realm Of Silliness. After all, if with Lincoln we find Williams drawing upon or treading in the traditions of Copland (?), we wouldn`t say that Williams was aping Copland, would we?
If John Debney can compose like Silvestri in PREDATOR mode, or if Giacchino can compose like Williams in Star Wars mode, how is that bad?...
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If a resultant work is of poor quality, then perhaps all it is is derivative or cheaply mimmicking. But if its great, then bonus...
If Giacchino scored a (good) Star Wars film, I would WANT to hear the Williams sound.
Aping is only an alternative word for imitate or mimic... but I didn't really want to get into an argument about semantics! However, I think it would be fair to say that Giacchino, in his early scores, to a certain extent, imitated Williams' style and mannerisms! And yes, Williams (like many composers) has imitated Copland in Lincoln but as usual with Williams, he still makes it his own.
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What's the difference between Giacchino, McNeely and Debney 'aping' the sound of John Williams and someone like Frederic Talgorn writing in a style incredibly akin to Williams, but not stealing previous ideas like the former three?
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IMO, for the next trilogy a composer is needed who uses the famous Williams-themes and can expand from them.
Also, a modern approach does not work for Star Wars. The previous trilogies in themselves are pastiches of traditional swashbucklers. Trying to "update" this sound would work against the idea behind these films.
So, the composer must be able to basically ape the Williams´style and create new themes that would fit in the proper context.
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I would note that I just said he aped the STYLE. not any actual music (and unlike the above poster, I can't think of any examples where he did, not that I've gone through either composers' music with a fine tooth or anything...)
There are a number of places in the Medal of Honor scores were Giacchino is very close to actual Williams cues, more than just referencing the style. Mostly it's references to the Indiana Jones scores (particualrly the chase/fight music) which lean quite heavily at times. Admittedly there is a greater proportion where he is more influenced by Williams' style and not specific cues. Same goes for early McNeely scores... Iron Will has parts which are very similar to specific Williams cues, but also passages which feature more general Williams stylistic traits. Same goes for his Phantom Train of Doom score from Young Indy, amongst others.
Having said all that, I am a huge Giacchino and McNeely fan and both composers have developed their own styles, both of which I enjoy immensely.
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>>>>>Giacchino will not be scoring this. He is not going to conduct for Star Trek and Star Wars. It Will never happen>>>>>>>
Well, Disney are courting names like JJ Abrams and Brad Bird to direct, so maybe he will if that comes to pass.
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Desplat scored Twilight and Harry Potter, Zimmer scored Batman and now he's scoring Superman, so Giacchino doing both Star Trek and Star Wars isn't that crazy.
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If they can't get Williams, they've gotta go for...
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Watched Treasure Planet last night. It's gotta be Howard.
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Zimmer's been coasting on his 'bag of tricks' for over 20 years now!!!
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Has Giacchino done the Full On Williams bit for any films? Or just video games?
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I can easily see Giacchino do this with either a little help/guidance from Williams if he doesn't want to take the entire thing on, but guide Giacchino when he has questions etc.
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I can easily see Giacchino do this with either a little help/guidance from Williams if he doesn't want to take the entire thing on, but guide Giacchino when he has questions etc.
Are you saying Giacchino is the new Courage? Could be a Star Trek thing...
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