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 Posted:   Jul 9, 2012 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

In a movie like Amazing Spider-Man, I should never notice the score

Easily the funniest bit!! LOL

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2012 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"From Topless Robot"
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Let's just change that guys name to Metal Tit, eh! wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2012 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Oscarilbo   (Member)

It's because for people like him, scores in movies are becoming more and more minimalist. Yes, minimalist is a great style too, but not THE style movies are to be always scored, not to mention superheroe movies. This guy apparently has forgotten movies 10+ years old.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2012 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)

It's because for people like him, scores in movies are becoming more and more minimalist. Yes, minimalist is a great style too, but not THE style movies are to be always scored, not to mention superheroe movies. This guy apparently has forgotten movies 10+ years old.


You can have a score with big themes and old-fashioned heroism without it sounding as distracting, sacharine, and unsubtle as Horner's Amazing Spider-man. I respect that some people here like the score, but this trend of "if you don't like it, you're the reason that so many film scores sound like Hans Zimmer" arguments is getting really ridiculous. You shouldn't have to respond to a film score along ideological lines, as though we have to like ANY big theme-filled score because of what it represents.

I love old-fashioned film scores, and I think it's completely possible that an excellent one could be written for Spider-man. But Horner's score, which blankets the film in tinkling piano cycles, new age synth choirs, and general sentimental bombast, was not it. Even 1978's Superman didn't feel the need to put music in every last last minute of the film, or to score every single moment as though it held crushing emotional significance. There's a time for overtly emotional music - in the emotional high points of the film. Not when Peter Parker's doing internet research, getting off the subway, or picking gum off of his shoe. During the big "Lizard at School" sequence, the music is so loud and obnoxiously heroic that I could barely make out the wisecracking dialogue (which leads to another question - why emphasize the hip "wisecracking" coolness of your hero if you're going to bury it new age synth pads that would have sounded dated in 1993?).

I don't mean to insult the people who like the score, but can't we at least take the music on its own terms? Are we really so starved and nostalgic for old-fashioned music that we'll take it anywhere, no matter how it actually functions in the film itself?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2012 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   desplatfan1   (Member)

I think that if the score would have been another themeless synth noise fest ala Zimmer or something like that most of people here would be whining about not having a old fashion score. We have one, and everyone says it's cheesy and etc? You people are helpless and nothing satisfies you.

Film music is not dying, it's becoming another crazy fandom of snobbish people who think they know more about music than people who writes it from several decades, instead of stop being just narrow minded and enjoy music for what it is, not asking what should have been or must have been.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2012 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

I think that if the score would have been another themeless synth noise fest ala Zimmer or something like that most of people here would be whining about not having a old fashion score. We have one, and everyone says it's cheesy and etc? You people are helpless and nothing satisfies you.

Just because a score is more old fashioned and has a big old fashioned theme doesn't mean that you have to automatically like it. I'm glad that there are people being subjective about this. The score has to work in the film and even if it is old fashioned, litter with themes, etc it might not be what the film was asking for.

Film music is not dying, it's becoming another crazy fandom of snobbish people who think they know more about music than people who writes it from several decades, instead of stop being just narrow minded and enjoy music for what it is, not asking what should have been or must have been.

You can't be forced to like score. And if you don't like score and want to express your feelings then you have every right to do so (in a mature manner I hope.) Just like you have every right to express how amazing the score is and how it is the best bloody thing you have ever heard.

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2012 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   Oscarilbo   (Member)

Well...
I love both styles, introspective minimalism, and big bombastic orchestra sound. My top 2 favorite composers are John Williams and Hans Zimmer. What I donĀ“t like is this growing trend in which "Music SHOULD not be noted at all, music SHOULD not be louder than sound effects, music SHOULD be subtle....SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD,... What?? Why??? I'm not talking about the music itself, which can be loved or not... but why the SHOULD or SHOULDN'T ???

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2012 - 2:00 AM   
 By:   KubrickFan   (Member)

Some people's comments here proofs that Zimmer or another RC clone would have done the score if they would have directed the film. It's a shame.

Absolutely not true. People mostly comment that Elfman's music for the previous movies was better. It's not either Horner or Zimmer, but there are plenty of composers who would have done something more interesting than Horner did.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2012 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   adamtrons   (Member)

Just out of curiosity, did anyone else jump out of their seat when you heard the "stingers" in track 17 - Saving New York? The piano slides (if that's what they were) made me jump pretty high LOL. I think Horner would be great for scoring horror films. Not sure if he has done any already, although I consider ALIENS a type of sci-fi horror.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2012 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

You can have a score with big themes and old-fashioned heroism without it sounding as distracting, sacharine, and unsubtle as Horner's Amazing Spider-man.

I'm sort of surprised to hear this because the best word I can find for this score is bland. Its not bad, I don't dislike it but outside of a trumpeted title theme and some of his old tricks, I never think to myself "Wow, I really want to hear THAT track again"

A lot of it seems to be not recycled but "boiled down" - the piano stuff sounds a lot like The New World but without any of the grandeur or feeling to it, the action cues are just orchestral chattering, the singing left overs from Four Feathers. And whats strange is that Horner using his old tricks never, ever bothers me... but this seems like he was bored or something? Or Marc Webb kept asking him to reel it in?

I mean, if you like this score, more power to you. But I was really looking forward to this one and it seems a rather strange disappointment. I'll stick with Elfman's Spider-Man 2 (which now seems forever ago).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2012 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

When I bought the CD I loved the main theme but thought the rest of the score was ok but not the mega-score I was expecting.

For me, a lesson learned as I should have seen the film first, the score fits perfectly to the images on the screen and totally does the film justice. The final 15/20 minutes of music is superb and it felt like, to me anyhow, that the Horner of the 80s was back in the driving seat.

Since I have seen the film the disc has not left the player!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2012 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"Just out of curiosity, did anyone else jump out of their seat when you heard the "stingers" in track 17 - Saving New York? The piano slides (if that's what they were) made me jump pretty high LOL. I think Horner would be great for scoring horror films. Not sure if he has done any already, although I consider ALIENS a type of sci-fi horror."
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Not so much while watching the film, but they get me everytime I listen to the CD on headphones. They are pretty loud...and scary.
He did a few horror films when he was starting out and I think all the major ones are available on CD now, apart from THE HAND and DEADLY BLESSING (legit, anyway).
I would recommend WOLFEN (Intrada) and - less so - HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP (because it's a tad derivative). I've always found ALIENS a brilliantly effective score when watching the film, but not that great a standalone listen, aside from 3-4 tracks.
I love DEADLY BLESSING (even the shameless OMEN rips). Gorgeous Main Theme. I'm sure Intrada will release it again one day!! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2012 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

When I bought the CD I loved the main theme but thought the rest of the score was ok but not the mega-score I was expecting.

For me, a lesson learned as I should have seen the film first, the score fits perfectly to the images on the screen and totally does the film justice. The final 15/20 minutes of music is superb and it felt like, to me anyhow, that the Horner of the 80s was back in the driving seat.

Since I have seen the film the disc has not left the player!




It works great for me as well. The best Spidey score yet, just edging out Chris Young's score for Spider-Man 3 ( still a damn shame this excellent score was never released, so much great music there ) .

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2012 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   JDH   (Member)

I liked it in the cinema, but have really enjoyed it on CD. A great synthesis of traditional, theme-led super hero scoring and the more modern Zimmer-esque sound, both of which I'm a big fan of. It's a great listen the whole way through.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2012 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

The first Horner score in ages that I truly enjoyed. I like the heroic stuff, the action material and the tender piano pieces. And it even had some suprising passages for example the last 25 seconds of track 17 (Saving New York) with its wild piano playing. Fantastic score and very memorable. And that`s something you can`t say about a lot of scores these days.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2012 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

By: itstownerman (Member)
"Ha Ha...It has everything in it..that James C. Horner has composed before.
The Track Becoming a Spider Boy... IT has a lil bit of Beautiful Mind, Crapatar, and the kicker is Horner re re uses Rocketeer around the 3:43....Way to go Horner.
Oh every past horner score ...re appears here...And again...there will be same old ones defending ms. horner...I can hear the danger themes, avatar, titanic, rocketeer, star trek 2 and 3...and even Elfman's Spiderman theme floating around...Thanks Horner for keeping it fake and rehashed."
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Hey cirtap, how you doin' you old pirate! So good to see you after all these years!!
No one incorporates the CRAP word with such panache! wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2012 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Thanks Horner for keeping it fake and rehashed.

Oh no no no - thank YOU.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2012 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I'm really digging this score. It's having what I'm now calling the "John Carter" effect where I listen, think it's ok, then realize I've been playing it constantly three days in a row. And I can't stop whistling the main theme.

I recognized the Sneakers / Beautiful Mind similarities and of course the old Horner stand-bys. The only thing that took me out of the score (but not the movie) where the very Titanic-like synths at the end of Saving New York. (Watching the film during the crane bit I was probably too busy thinking "Good heavens this is awful - why do I feel like cheering?!?")

I really loved the flick as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2012 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   desplatfan1   (Member)

Now that I've listened to the complete score, I think this is my favorite score of the year.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2012 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   Dirk Wickenden   (Member)

Well, saw the film tonight (in good ole 2D!). I love Spidey (used to buy the comic books til they got more expensive and started having multi-crossovers in the late 1980s) but prefer the Sam Raimi films to this new one.

James Horner's score was serviceable and at least it had themes! I do think that it is great that they're giving major gigs like this to genuine composers, even though their natural 'voice' may be held back by the filmmakers.

The film as a whole was similar in construction to Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes - the scientific stuff etc. The lizard biz, although of course a character in the comics, was almost a replay of the Doc Ock battle in the Raimi film and I was also reminded of Green Lantern, which was a flop - strange how films that are similar end up the earlier being a flop and the later a hit.

So passable entertainment but not earth shattering, same with the score - though I may buy it.

 
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