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 Posted:   Nov 25, 2018 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Toby   (Member)

Hey Mink is there anyway you could possibly post the complete cue list with slates? If not I'll totally understand.

Uh yeah, good idea! smile

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2018 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Well, this just goes to show what happens when you order standard shipping on the East Coast and the shipping will go through Thanksgiving. From a 23rd delivery date to "Your package will arrive later than expected, but is still on its way. It is currently in transit to the next facility."

Grr! This is going to be a long wait.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2018 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   MartyM   (Member)

Glad to read a first comment and that it is positive! While I wait for my copy to arrive, I decided to read again Mink's great score analysis that he did a few years ago while also going through the track listing of this amazing set. Here are a few thoughts...

Thanks, Marty! It's nice to hear that all the work that went into the analysis is still appreciated after all these years, haha. And great you’re digging that “Message to Holly” cue as well. That has always been one my favorite cues of Michael’s. Without spoiling anything, let me just say you’ll be very surprised about what was recorded for that scene and what ended up being used in the film.

Regarding the “Bill Clay” part in “TV station”, I'm working with the Kamen Estate and with the DIE HARD session paperwork at hand I can give you the definitive answer to your question :-)
It is the same recording as in “Bill Clay”. The orchestra for the “Bill Clay Part 2” cue is actually a wild take called 10MX. Michael originally suggested for it to be used in the “His Bag Is Missing” scene (7M1) and “Bill Clay” conversation between McClane and Gruber (10M2). He then created a Kurzweil overdub to specifically accentuate the latter scene and the cue was mixed for 10M2. It was obviously not used as “His Bag Is Missing” but both slate numbers (7M1 & 10M2) remained in the documentation and that is the reason why it has been following the “TV station” cue (6M5).

This set is absolutely fantastic and I’m sure you (and any other DIE HARD & Kamen fan) will love it!



This finally makes sense. Another Die Hard score mystery is now solved. Thanks a lot Mink!! If you have other stories like that to share, please don't hesitate.

I am glad that you also find this set fantastic. I cannot believe that I will be listening to brand-new Die Hard music by Michael Kamen in just a few days (any unreleased music is by definition brand-new to me). This is completely unreal!

But again, it's all LLL's fault. They got the universal perfect score release playbook and they're running it step by step.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 12:41 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Sound is excellent.
Something that surprised me... I ordered Die Hard along with the Airport 77/79 disc. Playing the Schifrin Airport 79 after Die Hard, there are several action tracks in the Schifrin score that would be quite at home in Die Hard. Apart from two or three pop pieces that need programming out of Airport 79, I'd say the Schifrin action stuff is very highly recommendable for admirers of the Kamen/Die Hard style.
Sound of the Schifrin is very good. I wasn't so impressed with the Cacavas Airport 77.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 1:06 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

As I've said before on this board I'm not a huge Kamen fan, I like a few of his scores, but this score is "the bomb". I have the original Varese release as well as the original LaLaLand edition and had no hesitation ordering this new version which is on the way. I really think 'The Battle/Freeing The Hostages is easily up there with the best top 5 action cues ever written for film!

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 4:21 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Posted in wrong thread. Oops.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

"Out for delivery"!

"C'mon, baby, come to Papa! I'll kiss yer {^/ing mail truck!"

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   Lewis&Clark   (Member)

My set just arrived in Switzerland cool

Ripping it into my iTunes library as I type this big grin

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

Thanks a lot Mink!! If you have other stories like that to share, please don't hesitate.

“Thanks for the advice” wink

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Mink   (Member)

Thanks a lot Mink!! If you have other stories like that to share, please don't hesitate.

“Thanks for the advice” wink


Hahaha, my pleasure guys! I haven't seen the booklet yet and don't want to spoil anything for you, aside from the fact that it would also be unfair towards Eric Lichtenfeld and Jeff Bond who did the liner notes for the release. So let's just wait before I go all in on those details and slate numbers ;-)

One story I can share though is how we found the missing reel in Michael's LA storage: FOX had provided all of their DIE HARD material for the Estate's digital library and there was one multitrack reel missing, which you can imagine was pretty frustrating. From the documentation and a magnetic sessions tape (that had no Kurzweil overdubs and was therefore unusable), it was evident that the cues in question were the original Main Title, as well as "Bill Clay Part 1" (10M1 - originally slated as 10M0) and "John Is Found Out" (9M1). Ironically both cues were heavily doctored with for the film using the multitracks, so no chance to ever recreate those versions, or so I thought ;-)

About a year later, we found a bunch of Word documents for the contents of some VERY old boxes in the LA storage. Out of curiosity I skipped through them and one just read "DIE HARD reel, 1M1, 10M0, 9M1". I couldn’t believe what I saw and thought the chances of that reel containing the exact same cues that were missing was too much of a coincidence to be one. So I asked the Estate's LA team to take some pictures and (as you can probably guess) it really was the missing reel!
Now, why the heck it ended up with Michael's personal recordings I can't say but I'm really happy that it turned up after just lying there for 30 years, haha!

So, long story short, we (and I mean all of us DIE HARD fans here) got those cues in good quality plus the respective film mixes because I spontaneously decided to read through some old documentation files that we had found on some hard drive. And I'm not saying this to celebrate myself (lol) but to point out through which crazy circumstances these things turn up sometimes!

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

I wish there were more detailed stories about the making of soundtracks these days. Researching, scanning the reels, editing, mastering, creative decision making, surprising discoveries ect. It's all great stuff.

Thank you for sharing your story Mink!

P.S. IT'S HERE! RIP AND TEAR!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Thanks for Sharing Mink! Truly interesting stuff!

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Thanks a lot Mink!! If you have other stories like that to share, please don't hesitate.

“Thanks for the advice” wink


Hahaha, my pleasure guys! I haven't seen the booklet yet and don't want to spoil anything for you, aside from the fact that it would also be unfair towards Eric Lichtenfeld and Jeff Bond who did the liner notes for the release. So let's just wait before I go all in on those details and slate numbers ;-)

One story I can share though is how we found the missing reel in Michael's LA storage: FOX had provided all of their DIE HARD material for the Estate's digital library and there was one multitrack reel missing, which you can imagine was pretty frustrating. From the documentation and a magnetic sessions tape (that had no Kurzweil overdubs and was therefore unusable), it was evident that the cues in question were the original Main Title, as well as "Bill Clay Part 1" (10M1 - originally slated as 10M0) and "John Is Found Out" (9M1). Ironically both cues were heavily doctored with for the film using the multitracks, so no chance to ever recreate those versions, or so I thought ;-)

About a year later, we found a bunch of Word documents for the contents of some VERY old boxes in the LA storage. Out of curiosity I skipped through them and one just read "DIE HARD reel, 1M1, 10M0, 9M1". I couldn’t believe what I saw and thought the chances of that reel containing the exact same cues that were missing was too much of a coincidence to be one. So I asked the Estate's LA team to take some pictures and (as you can probably guess) it really was the missing reel!
Now, why the heck it ended up with Michael's personal recordings I can't say but I'm really happy that it turned up after just lying there for 30 years, haha!

So, long story short, we (and I mean all of us DIE HARD fans here) got those cues in good quality plus the respective film mixes because I spontaneously decided to read through some old documentation files that we had found on some hard drive. And I'm not saying this to celebrate myself (lol) but to point out through which crazy circumstances these things turn up sometimes!


I love this shit.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Still "Out for delivery" 6 hours later and only 5 miles away from the P.O.?
"Who's driving this mail truck, Stevie Wonder?!?"

Should've had it sent to my house instead of my workplace, now I have to wait until tomorrow. mad

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Postmen drive in a pre-determined route that tries to eliminate left-turns (the USPS found most accidents and deaths occurred from making left turns). It's not like they're reading addresses and making delivery decisions by how close the address is.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Postmen drive in a pre-determined route that tries to eliminate left-turns (the USPS found most accidents and deaths occurred from making left turns). It's not like they're reading addresses and making delivery decisions by how close the address is.

Got it. wink

I was mostly being facetious as it usually is the case that when the usps tracking # shows out for delivery after 9 am, it is the next day before I receive it at my work mailstop, so I was pretty much anticipating that. It may even be here, just going thru the pipeline, as it were.

Anyway, now I have to find a way to be at my desk for ~3 hours so I can listen to the whole thing.
I do need to spend some time updating a bunch of spreadsheets and powerpoints instead of doing real work.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

@jackfu

possible that your postman is pulled over at the corner store playing the Die Hard score on his boom box

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

Thanks a lot Mink!! If you have other stories like that to share, please don't hesitate.

“Thanks for the advice” wink


Hahaha, my pleasure guys! I haven't seen the booklet yet and don't want to spoil anything for you, aside from the fact that it would also be unfair towards Eric Lichtenfeld and Jeff Bond who did the liner notes for the release. So let's just wait before I go all in on those details and slate numbers ;-)

One story I can share though is how we found the missing reel in Michael's LA storage: FOX had provided all of their DIE HARD material for the Estate's digital library and there was one multitrack reel missing, which you can imagine was pretty frustrating. From the documentation and a magnetic sessions tape (that had no Kurzweil overdubs and was therefore unusable), it was evident that the cues in question were the original Main Title, as well as "Bill Clay Part 1" (10M1 - originally slated as 10M0) and "John Is Found Out" (9M1). Ironically both cues were heavily doctored with for the film using the multitracks, so no chance to ever recreate those versions, or so I thought ;-)

About a year later, we found a bunch of Word documents for the contents of some VERY old boxes in the LA storage. Out of curiosity I skipped through them and one just read "DIE HARD reel, 1M1, 10M0, 9M1". I couldn’t believe what I saw and thought the chances of that reel containing the exact same cues that were missing was too much of a coincidence to be one. So I asked the Estate's LA team to take some pictures and (as you can probably guess) it really was the missing reel!
Now, why the heck it ended up with Michael's personal recordings I can't say but I'm really happy that it turned up after just lying there for 30 years, haha!

So, long story short, we (and I mean all of us DIE HARD fans here) got those cues in good quality plus the respective film mixes because I spontaneously decided to read through some old documentation files that we had found on some hard drive. And I'm not saying this to celebrate myself (lol) but to point out through which crazy circumstances these things turn up sometimes!


Interesting story and I don't blame you for wanting to wait to post the cue list with slates for a bit. smile Looking forward to it though.

I'm just glad everything was finally found after all these years.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

This is an infinitely amazing release. Utterly astounding. If only all our favorite iconic scores got this kind of treatment! La-La Land once again sets the standards to an entirely new level of professionalism, presentation, and knowing what its audience wants!

One question - the music still seems to be missing from right before Hans shoots Takagi ("I'm going to count to three. There will not be a four"). The same music that shows up elsewhere in the franchise (most notably 1:00 into Die Hard 2's "The Runway"). Am I missing something? Thought that film version with that bit of music (presumably a film version to "You Want Money") would've appeared on this set.

I don't care if it didn't because I have everything I could ever need from a score release, just was wondering if anyone else noticed this or could tell me where it does appear for that particular scene? Can't remember if that particular bit appeared elsewhere in the first film's score, and maybe was tracked in for a quick excerpt for the "You Want Money" scene...?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2018 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   Mink   (Member)

This is an infinitely amazing release. Utterly astounding. If only all our favorite iconic scores got this kind of treatment! La-La Land once again sets the standards to an entirely new level of professionalism, presentation, and knowing what its audience wants!

One question - the music still seems to be missing from right before Hans shoots Takagi ("I'm going to count to three. There will not be a four"). The same music that shows up elsewhere in the franchise (most notably 1:00 into Die Hard 2's "The Runway"). Am I missing something? Thought that film version with that bit of music (presumably a film version to "You Want Money") would've appeared on this set.

I don't care if it didn't because I have everything I could ever need from a score release, just was wondering if anyone else noticed this or could tell me where it does appear for that particular scene? Can't remember if that particular bit appeared elsewhere in the first film's score, and maybe was tracked in for a quick excerpt for the "You Want Money" scene...?


That’s tracked from “And If He Alters It” which plays over the scene almost in its entirety, only interrupted briefly when Takagi gets shot and a small snippet from the first half of “Wiring the Roof” (the cue actually written for that scene) is used.

 
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