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 Posted:   Oct 24, 2013 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



One heckuva compelling musical comparison is awaiting some enterprising film score
seminar or class contrasting what Da Guv'nor



creatively channeled for his musical version



and Der Elfman's recent equally intriguing offering (tho we gotta agree with an
earlier typically tempestuous thread wherein Josh, Bruce-O and others
raptuously celebrated that kinetically euphoric absolute KICK-ass opening "Alice's
Theme" on the ceedee, however truncated it may be in the flick itself, which we'll see shortly).



The Final Confrontation? big grin ) Department:



Nah. But definitely worth exploration, no?

smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2013 - 2:01 AM   
 By:   Julian K   (Member)

What about the version by Richard Harvey (for the 1999 adaptation) (or Anne Dudley's Symphonic Variations, or Joby Talbot's ballet score, or Oliver Wallace's music for the Disney animated version, for that matter)?

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2013 - 5:11 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Although the films carry the same title they're almost chalk and cheese with different music requirements.

Barry's score is perfect for the movie he scored, which was a movie blighted by being, well, crap.

And Elfman also scores his films perfectly.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2013 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Two widely contrasting scores for the same subject matter- obviously led by the varying approaches to the film. Hard to compare them, but Barry's "Curiouser and Curiouser" is one of his timeless and perfect melodies - not too keen on the other songs, though.

I saw Burton's Alice at the cinema in 3D and didn't really enjoy it, nor the score particularly. However, having seen it in concert away from the visuals it grew on me immediately, and has stuck in my head these past couple of weeks. We found the bluray of the film for a few quid just afterwards, and I actually found that I enjoyed it much more on the small screen in 2D.

Curious indeed...

TG

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2013 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

...and yet curiouser (dp)

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2013 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

I love Elfman but his Alice score is a middling effort with a terrific main title, while the Barry is absolutely stuffed to the brim with great songs, beautiful, evocative scoring and great vocal performances from the entire cast. On "melody count" alone, the Elfman has maybe three (being generous) versus at least a dozen from JB, and all of them great.

Barry by a mile. In fact, this score makes me really wish he had done more musicals. What a songwriter the man was!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2013 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Dr Lenera   (Member)

I love Elfman but his Alice score is a middling effort with a terrific main title, while the Barry is absolutely stuffed to the brim with great songs, beautiful, evocative scoring and great vocal performances from the entire cast. On "melody count" alone, the Elfman has maybe three (being generous) versus at least a dozen from JB, and all of them great.

Barry by a mile. In fact, this score makes me really wish he had done more musicals. What a songwriter the man was!



THIS! I don't think this is one of Elfman's better efforts, pretty unmemorable apart from the main theme. [which has the same rythmic pattern as Charlie And The Chocolate Factory], Elfman by numbers, I suppose, though the film was poor too IMO. Barry's effort, for a flawed but enjoyable film, is for me one of his most underrated achievements, with nearly all the songs good, and with decent lyrics too.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2013 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

[ What a songwriter the man was! ]



To coin two (TM) wink matrix phrases, Nerf:



Indeed ...

and indisputably In Deed.

cool cool

 
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