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If I may correct some misinformation in the review:
The original roadshow length, which Mr. Dursin calls 192 minutes, included the overture, entr'acte and exit music. Check. That version played for exactly one month and was then replaced by the shorter version that he's calling the "general release version" - but that was NOT, in fact, a general release version. About twenty-six minutes of actual picture was cut at that point, resulting in a film that ran about 164 minutes WITH the overture, entr'acte and exit music. That version was still the roadshow version (call it the second roadshow version) and it is, in fact, the version that most people saw, unless they saw the film in its first four weeks. That roadshow version played for a very long time, more than a year in some theaters.
When the roadshow was done and the film went into its general release THEN the overture, entr'acte and exit music was deleted resulting in the 154-minute running time of what has come to be known as the general release version.
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And neither does Jimmy Durante drive off an overpass or is the cast heading to Palm Springs to look for the Big W.
Durante drives his car off a cliff at a turn in the road, and the cast heads to the fictional Santa Rosita on the border with Mexico.
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If I may correct some misinformation in the review:
The original roadshow length, which Mr. Dursin calls 192 minutes, included the overture, entr'acte and exit music. Check. That version played for exactly one month and was then replaced by the shorter version that he's calling the "general release version" - but that was NOT, in fact, a general release version. About twenty-six minutes of actual picture was cut at that point, resulting in a film that ran about 164 minutes WITH the overture, entr'acte and exit music. That version was still the roadshow version (call it the second roadshow version) and it is, in fact, the version that most people saw, unless they saw the film in its first four weeks. That roadshow version played for a very long time, more than a year in some theaters.
When the roadshow was done and the film went into its general release THEN the overture, entr'acte and exit music was deleted resulting in the 154-minute running time of what has come to be known as the general release version.
You are right!
By the time I saw it it was 164 minutes.
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If I may correct some misinformation in the review:
The original roadshow length, which Mr. Dursin calls 192 minutes, included the overture, entr'acte and exit music. Check. That version played for exactly one month and was then replaced by the shorter version that he's calling the "general release version" - but that was NOT, in fact, a general release version. About twenty-six minutes of actual picture was cut at that point, resulting in a film that ran about 164 minutes WITH the overture, entr'acte and exit music. That version was still the roadshow version (call it the second roadshow version) and it is, in fact, the version that most people saw, unless they saw the film in its first four weeks. That roadshow version played for a very long time, more than a year in some theaters.
When the roadshow was done and the film went into its general release THEN the overture, entr'acte and exit music was deleted resulting in the 154-minute running time of what has come to be known as the general release version.
Thanks for the clarification, Bruce.
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If I may correct some misinformation in the review:
The original roadshow length, which Mr. Dursin calls 192 minutes, included the overture, entr'acte and exit music. Check. That version played for exactly one month and was then replaced by the shorter version that he's calling the "general release version" - but that was NOT, in fact, a general release version. About twenty-six minutes of actual picture was cut at that point, resulting in a film that ran about 164 minutes WITH the overture, entr'acte and exit music. That version was still the roadshow version (call it the second roadshow version) and it is, in fact, the version that most people saw, unless they saw the film in its first four weeks. That roadshow version played for a very long time, more than a year in some theaters.
When the roadshow was done and the film went into its general release THEN the overture, entr'acte and exit music was deleted resulting in the 154-minute running time of what has come to be known as the general release version.
Thanks for the clarification, Bruce.
You're welcome. Wouldn't it be nice if Mr. Dursin would correct his review, because that is how this misinformation keeps perpetuating itself. Will he? Let's see.
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Oh, and one OTHER thing: The cuts were not made to allow for more showings during the roadshow run. It never had more showings.
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Jan 16, 2014 - 9:40 AM
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If I may correct some misinformation in the review:
The original roadshow length, which Mr. Dursin calls 192 minutes, included the overture, entr'acte and exit music. Check. That version played for exactly one month and was then replaced by the shorter version that he's calling the "general release version" - but that was NOT, in fact, a general release version. About twenty-six minutes of actual picture was cut at that point, resulting in a film that ran about 164 minutes WITH the overture, entr'acte and exit music. That version was still the roadshow version (call it the second roadshow version) and it is, in fact, the version that most people saw, unless they saw the film in its first four weeks. That roadshow version played for a very long time, more than a year in some theaters.
When the roadshow was done and the film went into its general release THEN the overture, entr'acte and exit music was deleted resulting in the 154-minute running time of what has come to be known as the general release version.
Someone needs to make a road map of the different versions!
I would be happy to make corrections. I was only going by what I have read elsewhere as I was not alive in the '60s to know 
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I think I have it right now.
To clarify, the Criterion also includes the shorter Roadshow 163-min. version -- NOT the 154 min. general release version (which is on the prior MGM Blu-Ray). The only difference between those two being the inclusion of the Overture/Intermission/Exit Music.
Haven't gotten the Criterion yet - it's on its way, but if the shorter version includes the overture, entr'acte and exit music, then it's the second roadshow version - again, that's what 99% of the audiences back in the day saw. The 154 version is, as you say, exactly the same sans the overture, entr'acte and exit music.
What confused everything is the laserdisc, which wasn't anything that had ever been released. And then people started seeing the running time of some preview version that was also never released, and then some people started adding the intermission police calls to the running time, which confused people even more. Robert Harris has the original timing sheets for the uncut roadshow (the one that played four weeks only) and has printed them at the HTF.
Andy, I did e-mail you through the link.
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Today...Who would sit through this over produced, over directed, bloated hot mess. Stanley Kramer put all of Hollywood in this film. I don't think I have ever seen that monster of 197 minutes of mess. I would be 100% scared if I had to sit in a movie house and watch 197 minutes of Mad World. While Ernest Gold's score is excellent..and catchy..but used way too much. The movie is about..someone having way too much times on their hands and wants the ultimate car, air, foot, chase sequences. This is when Stanley Kramer needed a "NO" Man next to him..when filming and editing! Bloated.
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The film ran 210 minutes in its preview showing. Kramer cut the film to 192 minutes for the premiere release. During its roadshow 70mm run, United Artists, seeing that it had a mammoth hit on its hands, cut the film to 161 minutes without Kramer's involvement in order to add an extra daily showing. The general release 35mm version runs 154 minutes, with overture and exit music excised. At the film's premiere, radio transmissions between the film's fictional police played in the theater lobby and rest rooms during the intermission. The police transmissions featured Detective Matthews (Charles McGraw) and the police personnel that follow the group. These three reports (each approx. one minute in length) may have added to the 210-minute length.
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